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Simi Kusoni
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:22:00 -
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Selinate wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Selinate wrote:
No... it won't... it's not an isk sink...
Game inflation not isk(currency) inflation. Learn to read. in-+fla-+tion GÇé GÇé[in-fley-shuhn] noun 1. Economics. a persistent, substantial rise in the general level of prices related to an increase in the volume of money and resulting in the loss of value of currency (opposed to deflation). Learn to vocab.
Game inflation, otherwise known as mudflation. Go google it.
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Simi Kusoni
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:43:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Lipbite wrote:I didn't login for 7 months and upon returning found some ship prices inflated by 60% (obelisk: 680m => 1100m). Game becomes less suitable for casual hi-sec players whos income isn't based on interactions with other players - i.e. missioners.
Oh yeah as if you need trillions isk for your expenses if you just intend to casually log in in hi sec.
+1
And that "low/null" isn't for casual players line is BS. I log in maybe three times a week, im in a corp consisting literally just of me and my alts, yet I operate just fine in low sec and NPC null sec.
(well, I did lose a pos last week. But I didn't log in for four days straight so is kind of to be expected, and the pos wasn't exactly a necessity.)
The truth is low/null aren't for risk averse players, or stupid players. If you believe the only thing holding you back is the number of hours you have available, you're lying to yourself.
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Simi Kusoni
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:52:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Oh yeah as if you need trillions isk for your expenses if you just intend to casually log in in hi sec. Well, if your in-game income is under 2b monthly (2-3 hours of missions daily) losing T2 battleship may kill all feeling of progression and motivation to login next time (50-100 hours of grind for new internetpixels ships? no, thanks). Especially considering it's bicycling/camping season. P.S. I don't run missions.
If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved.
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Simi Kusoni
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:13:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved. Sadly, it seems CCP think in that way too. No wonder game stagnate for 4 years while being unable to provide feeling of progression for those 70% of player who "live" in hi-sec. And now 70% year-to-year ship prices fluctuation adds some disappointment.
Protip: next time you are in high sec take a good long look at that 70%.
Most will be blatant NPC hauling alts, some will be in null sec corps, others will be in holding corps and more still will be plain old trading alts.
That 70% figure is completely useless, it gives you no more idea as to the distribution of Eve's player base as random guessing would.
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:23:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Lipbite wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Oh yeah as if you need trillions isk for your expenses if you just intend to casually log in in hi sec. Well, if your in-game income is under 2b monthly (2-3 hours of missions daily) losing T2 battleship may kill all feeling of progression and motivation to login next time (50-100 hours of grind for new internetpixels ships? no, thanks). Especially considering it's bicycling/camping season. P.S. I don't run missions. If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved. Yet 1 of the 2 types of T2 BS's lends itself so well to highsec PvE
I wouldn't exactly call it cost effective if you're stupid enough to lose it though.
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:19:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:PL, NC., Ev0ke and the rest might be interested in talking with you about them being goons ...
you haven't seen the rampant conspiracy theories around our support of a tech nerf have you
Ahh, I love the goon conspiracy theories you get popping up on these forums.
I swear if high sec miners put half the creativity they put into coming up with goon conspiracy theories, into actually going through with conspiracies of their own, then they'd be the most powerful force in Eve.
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:30:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Quote:Ship loss should have meaning! Quote:Ships are too expensive! sigh
Wow, quoting the opinions of two different people, to show that they differ. There was much point to this post.
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Simi Kusoni
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:21:00 -
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Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:That is a quaint notion. Thousands upon thousands of players have been training to fly those nifty, top-tier ships over the years. They have high-ISK clones and maybe sets of bling implants. The ever-present "next thing" is one of the main reasons for sticking with the game and either paying for a sub or buying PLEX's off of some other scrub. You are proposing that people currently flying skill-intensive battleships, tech 3 cruisers, command ships, etc. move back down the food chain into frigates and destroyers because CCP can't design its way out of the gutter?
The same principles apply to mudflation as apply to buying SP, instant gratification is generally bad. Players may believe they want instantly accessible ships, but when given them they tend to get bored as they have nothing left to aim for in game.
When a ship holds value, when it takes time to work for and you constantly have something to work toward... That is the "hook" that makes games like Eve addictive.
Instant gratification, whether in the form of free skill points or cheap "top-tier" ships, is generally detrimental to any game world. Plenty of MMOs have fallen victim to mudflation over the years, Eve was headed in that direction.
I for one am glad CCP is pulling us back from the brink.
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Simi Kusoni
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:46:00 -
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Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:That is a quaint notion. Thousands upon thousands of players have been training to fly those nifty, top-tier ships over the years. They have high-ISK clones and maybe sets of bling implants. The ever-present "next thing" is one of the main reasons for sticking with the game and either paying for a sub or buying PLEX's off of some other scrub. You are proposing that people currently flying skill-intensive battleships, tech 3 cruisers, command ships, etc. move back down the food chain into frigates and destroyers because CCP can't design its way out of the gutter? The same principles apply to mudflation as apply to buying SP, instant gratification is generally bad. Players may believe they want instantly accessible ships, but when given them they tend to get bored as they have nothing left to aim for in game. When a ship holds value, when it takes time to work for and you constantly have something to work toward... That is the "hook" that makes games like Eve addictive. Instant gratification, whether in the form of free skill points or cheap "top-tier" ships, is generally detrimental to any game world. Plenty of MMOs have fallen victim to mudflation over the years, Eve was headed in that direction. I for one am glad CCP is pulling us back from the brink. I can only buy into this logic up to a point. I am in agreement that goals and difficult-to-reach targets drive player involvement. Where you lose me is when we want or need these higher-tier ships for PvP activities. There is little-to-no boredom involved with having a carrier or three filled with the tools for PvP for which we have spent years training. I look at my assets and I am pleased that I can be prepared for fleet activities. It is as simple as that.
The problem is that mudflation applies to PvP as much as anything else, and not just in the form of everyone having a battlecruiser handy when its needed.
You see it in the rampant super capital proliferation, the titan blob or t3 doctrine. This is not really something that is "noob friendly", nor is it something that makes for particularly interesting game play.
Making minerals more expensive may make it harder to buy battle cruisers/ships, but it doesnt make it impossible. And its always possible to PvP in cheaper ships to great effect, but what it does do very effectively is put a halt to the rampant super capital and titan production in game. Or at least slow it.
As for people that continue to use expensive ship doctrines or fleets regardless of cost, good for them. The new found rarity and value of their ships will doubtless make the game more exciting both for them, and for those attempting to kill them with cheaper more readily available ships.
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Simi Kusoni
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Posted - 2012.05.15 21:21:00 -
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Gorenaire wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:
If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved.
Im not sure if people who live in high sec desserve or need a T2 BS, but you surely need an award for the dumbest statement I have read in a long time
I especially like the part where you express confusion as to your opinions on the validity of my statement, before claiming that my statement is dumb.
Perhaps next time you should form an opinion before posting, preferably one backed by an argument of some kind.
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